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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:38 pm 
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Yes I am quite familiar with the Robertson collection in the state library. I was not aware that the individuals were identified. That's why I was asking about documentation. What is the source for the IDs?

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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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These are some of the same guys that are in the photo in the Buffalo hunters at Wolf Springs thread a few threads down. I don't know where the ultimate documentation is but these guys are also identified on pg. 192 in the book "HUNTING THE AMERICAN WEST -The Pursuit of Big Game for Life, Profit, and Sport, 1800-1900" by Richard Rattenbury. The Wolf Springs photo is in there too.


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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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These are some of the same guys that are in the photo in the Buffalo hunters at Wolf Springs thread a few threads down. I don't know where the ultimate documentation is but these guys are also identified on pg. 192 in the book "HUNTING THE AMERICAN WEST -The Pursuit of Big Game for Life, Profit, and Sport, 1800-1900" by Richard Rattenbury. The Wolf Springs photo is in there too.


Ok, thanks for the info. I'll take a look at that one. Richard is a friend and colleague of mine.

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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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Howdy!

I don't know for sure. Charles Robinson III has the ID for the picture, and relates in his text the story of how Mabel Brooks of the Texas State Library found the Oliphant studio pictures looking through old photgraphs.
She took them to a local photogrpaher who printed them. From Oliphant's name on the box she tracked down info on him and found that he was still alive. She interviewed him about the details and backgorund of the photos and the hunt. Through Oliphant, they were able to learn of Emil Oberwetter who was the last survivor of the hunt.
Walter Webb, a Texas historian, contacted him and arranged for an interview who then got both the story and the ID's.

Which was a matter of great fortune and timing, as Oberwetter died shortly thereafter.

Another image from that hunt I really like is this one. Alas, it would be so nice to have a crisp, high resolution version to drink in and digest the details. Anyways Robinson did not list the names on this one, which makes me wonder if Webb got the ID's from Oberwetter as he had on the other or not. Or whether Robinson thought it important to put in. Or whether the editor of Robinson's book did not include it- which has happened to me a number of times.

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Moby Mick wrote:
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I don't know for sure. Charles Robinson III has the ID for the picture, and relates in his text the story of how Mabel Brooks of the Texas State Library found the Oliphant studio pictures looking through old photgraphs.
She took them to a local photogrpaher who printed them. From Oliphant's name on the box she tracked down info on him and found that he was still alive. She interviewed him about the details and backgorund of the photos and the hunt. Through Oliphant, they were able to learn of Emil Oberwetter who was the last survivor of the hunt.
Walter Webb, a Texas historian, contacted him and arranged for an interview who then got both the story and the ID's.

Which was a matter of great fortune and timing, as Oberwetter died shortly thereafter.


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W. P. Webb's papers are at the Briscoe Center for American History (the Barker Collection) at the University of Texas, Austin. They are well worth looking into, as they are a treasure trove of info. http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/utcah/00 ... 00344.html

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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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Mick;
Thanks for the story that's interesting. I like looking at these old pictures, they don't lie and it's amazing the primitive conditions they lived in.


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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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Moby Mick wrote:
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It is a low resolution grainy copy of a copy of a... :)

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What Ii think I "see," IMHO is a New Model 1869 Carbine, the civilian version with a longer 26 inch barrel judging by the proportions but not taking caliphers to the image to be sure. They came in .40-70, .45-70, and .50-70.

There is only on band, and the barrel is too long for the standard military carbine.

I give up! Arrrrgggg.

I have Photoshopped, and Photobucketed this image as an enalrgement eight (8) times, and it still appears here small!

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Here is a better copy. It's directly from the original at the Texas State Library. :D


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 Post subject: Re: Texas Hide Hunters 1870's
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I got in on this late.....I know there were a slew if variations after the war..as the military contracts failed. I retrofitted my Shiloh after an original I saw at the Denver gun show many years ago. The original had a heavy round barrel with a pewter nose and military patch box. It had a military patch box but did not have a bar and ring.....I assumed made from a Infantry model rather than a cav carbine????

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