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 Post subject: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:30 pm 
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Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter during 1876 Expedition, Dakota Territory.


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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:17 pm 
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Steve!!!!...........those look an awful like "antler buttons" on his coat!....what do you think?? If they are...it would be the first time I have ever seen what I thought was a modern misconception.

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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They do look like antler buttons Doug. I can't say positively though. I am going to try and bring them up for a better look.

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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Nope! I was wrong......obviously bottle caps! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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Howdy!

They appear to be antler.

I can't tell if they are CRUSH or NEHI caps though. ;) :)

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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Hmmmmm......problem is that Dr.Pepper and root beer were invented and bottled about '85 and my experience is that Gerard would be the wrong ethnicity for Crush or Nehi.......course that is based on childhood observances, prejudices and stereotypes which was still 80-90 years after the fact. I hate to be a thread counter, but I believe further investigation is necessary. :lol:

Problem is we either have a pre-soft drink bottle cap....possibly a beer bottle cap.......oh wait new evidence has surfaced...."The crown cork (also known as a crown seal, crown cap or just a cap), the first form of bottle cap, was invented by William Painter in 1892 in Baltimore". Rats!!!!!....so we are back to either antler buttons or some other anomaly.........

isn't the research of living history fascinating! :P

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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the Germans and English both IIRC have long used antler buttons on outer wear - how far back I'm not sure, but at least in the 19th Century
FYI - Gerard died in 1913 at age 84 - he appears quite a bit younger than that in this image.


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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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Ah...the guru speaks......so why did I think that antler buttons were a buckskinner farbizm? Chuck....not that I want an excuse for wearing antler buttons...but do you have further photo evidence. Also can you or anyway explain the construction of the coat...i.e. what looks like fur edging???

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 Post subject: Re: Fred Gerard, Scout and Interpreter
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Doug - I don't have any images right off hand that I can post and I'm headed to the Doc's for therapy (two shots in the belly - not bad though), but when I get back I'll check and see. May have to got my history of clothing books.
As for the coat I'd say it's buffalo with the hair left along the edge and perhaps a fur lined hood? Buffalo coats with hair on the edge and some times decorative strips left seem to have been popular with scouts during the era. Right off I can think of Bill Cody's coat and also Charles Stobie. I'll post pics of them later my image database is now upwards of 30K and one of these days I'll get it in some order - yah sure Olie! - I'm channeling those old Scandahoovians that I spent so much time with in the PNW. Olie jokes there are as popular amongst them as Boudreaux jokes are amongst my Cajun cousins.


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