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 Post subject: And an early Winchester box of .38 Shorts......
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:53 am 
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This two piece half split box of Winchester .38 Short Colt cartridges was probably made in the early 1880s. While the label indicates the cases have solid heads, the concentric rings on the heads give them the appearance of being of folded head construction. Unfortunately, I will probably never know one way or the other; since it is a full box, I can't bring myself to sacrifice one for sectioning to settle this question. A similar box is shown on page 118 of One Hundred Years of Winchester Cartridge Boxes 1856 - 1956 by Ray Giles and Dan Shuey, but their box includes 'For Colt's Revolvers' on the label. Correspondence with Mr. Shuey revealed that this box without the Colts reference is probably the earlier of the two boxes. As indicated on the label inside the box top, these cartridges use the # 1 1/2 primer. The copper 1 1/2 primer was intended for use in handguns, being softer than brass and more easily detonated by the lighter firing pin blows inherent in handguns. The knurled groove bullets indicate that these are outside lubricated cartridges, as does the presence of the waxy lubricant adhering to and staining the necks of the cases.

These cartridges would have originally been purchased for use in an early centerfire cartridge revolver, a multitude of which first became available beginning in the early 1870s. An example is the .38 caliber 5 shot 3 1/2" round barrel revolver shown below, one of a number of models introduced by Colt Patent Firearms Mfg Co during its transition from being one of the worlds leading manufacturers of percussion firearms to establishing itself in what was to become a much more competitive market for firearms that used the new self-contained metallic cartridges.

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 Post subject: Re: And an early Winchester box of .38 Shorts......
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:30 pm 
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Wow..... that's nice........nope...don/t crack the box


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 Post subject: Re: And an early Winchester box of .38 Shorts......
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:42 pm 
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Very cool!

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 Post subject: Re: And an early Winchester box of .38 Shorts......
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:21 pm 
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I made a couple of those kind of boxes and labels for my cowboy ammunition.
Doug has seen them.


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 Post subject: Re: And an early Winchester box of .38 Shorts......
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:25 am 
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I always wonder if Lloyd was building nukes back in his Army days.............is there anything he can't make???

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