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 Post subject: Plains Lance
PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:02 pm 
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Plains lances are very rare. This is one of only a few known examples from this early time period.

Age - 1830's.
Affiliation - Upper Missouri River.
Location - Dakota's.


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
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Beautiful ! :)
The spike is made of steel, right ?
I have been wondering since I am interested in the american western period, if the indians were able to make and forge steel :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:22 pm 
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The indians traded the white man for their steel. As far as I know none of the tribes had the capabilites to
make or forge steel.

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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
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Steve's right about the origin of the steel but there are records of various tribes, such as the displaced Cherokee, doing at least some forging - as always time and place need to be considered....


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
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Thanks guys.
What about Tomahawks ? Also bought to the white man ?


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
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Petrus - almost all items made form steel and/or iron (knives, axes, tomahawks, etc.) originated with the Europeans - prior to their arrival in the New World all of he tIndians basically had a stone age culture - a few VERY few tribes had some done some metal work such as the Aztec with gold and some of the Great Lakes tribes did some copper work but it was not a wide spread technology.
Most of the iron/steel goods such as knives and axes were imported from England during the first half of the 1800's, but there were also local smiths who made items such as tomahawks. By the mid-1800's more and more the USA began to produce such items on a large scale.


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:47 am 
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Very instructive Chuck.
Thanks.
I figure that the same applies to arrow spikes ?


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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
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Metal arrowheads were offered by traders but many were also made by the Indians themselves using things like wagon wheel rims and such - here's a Comanche setup using a rock for an anvil and a model 1873 Winchester action for a hammer along with several heads..

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 Post subject: Re: Plains Lance
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:17 am 
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Amazing.
A Winchester 1873 action for a hammer ! Too bad !
and what is the long stick, kind of lance, but with a long loop at one end ?


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