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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:09 pm 
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How many grooves, and in what direction?

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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:40 am 
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Mick....6 lands...........looking through the breech it is counter-clockwise.


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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:30 pm 
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Original Colt "3rd Model" Dragoons had seven groove, gain twist right hand rifling.

Although I am having a Senior Moment as I cannot recall if that is breech or muzzle looking. :)

My reference books are randomly boxed or stored away for months waiting on never-ending house remodeling so I am without my "fire and fall back" reference books for the time being.

It is burned into my mind that teh repro Colts changed the grooves, and the twist direction to appease collectors' opposition to repro's in the late 1950's in case someone could not tell round cut threads on screws from modern machine cut. Or would not one take a screw out to examine as to whether it was 19th century...

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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
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Thanks Mick!! That clears up at least one mystery. Now to figure out how it came to be stamped with a first generation serial number... The frame, and brass bits show no sign of having an old number filed off...

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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:36 pm 
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Thanx Mick.
Finally got a Uberti 3rd model dug out to check.......the screw in the bottam of the grip interchanges

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The gunk we dug out from the back of the grips, was just like the gunk out of the barrel channels of a couple of original rifles I have.

Paul Mullins had found it and put me onto it.... still payed a lot less than a new Uberti 3rd model.


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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:31 pm 
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My kingdom for a..... good screw!

Uh oh, that does not sound right. Sorry.

Must be April's Fool Day.

On the Serious Side of the horse.... some of the Italian made parts Colt used/uses in their "Generations" do occasionally but rarely "swap" out with original. And, being Italian parts, some of the Colt Signature series will swap pout with Uberti parts (I bought a 2nd Generation Colt M1861 with a full fluted cylinder and swapped it out for an Uberti rebated one slick as paint.

It is an old Counterfeiter/Faker/Fraud Trick to sometimes "swap in" original pieces parts. Especially if one gets a trashed original missing parts. And that goes both ways, aging and replacing repro parts on the original for what is missing. And/or cannibalizing a parts gun original to enhance a (Italian repro) fake.

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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
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The screws we swapped were definitely different in appearance... But the threads seemed to measure the same... I'm on board with it being a 2nd model from evidence provided...but I still wonder about the serial number... Perhaps it was a "lunch box" gun that someone put a 1st gen serial number on, and did a GOOD antique job

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 Post subject: Re: Help ID a 3rd Model Dragoon
PostPosted: Fri Apr 01, 2016 10:33 pm 
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Thanx Mick
Lunch box gun makes about as much sense as anything.

Was hoping to post pics of an original


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